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60 Days to Go…Booking Fast Pass Plus

Sunday, 5:45 AM

You know what I find really interesting?  When my alarm goes off on a work day—REGARDLESS OF THE TIME or how much sleep I’ve had, I immediately and automatically hit the snooze button.  I seem physically incapable of getting right out of bed.

But when the alarm goes off on vacation (or for vacation related insanity like Fast Pass scheduling….) BAM, I jump right out of bed like it’s full of snakes or spiders or something.  I’m sure that says something very troubling about me and my brain, but I’m not in the mood for deep psychological analysis this morning, so we’ll move on.

At any rate, the alarm went off and I headed straight down to the computer.  I immediately logged into My Disney Experience, and headed straight to the Fast Pass Plus reservation area, selected my “Group”—my husband Frank and myself—and tried to choose my dates.  It was still only 5:55 AM, so you guessed it…no luck.  They are not kidding with that window.  All that was available were reservation dates up to 30 days out.  It looks at your hotel reservation and does not open that 60-day window until 7:00 AM (Eastern) the 60th day our from the first night of your reservation.

Tried again at exactly 6:00 AM and magically, the window now showed all the days between now and the last day of our vacation.  (The sixty-day window is for day 1 of your vacation—or really the first night in a Disney hotel…but the window then opens for every night you’ve booked in Disney hotel for the duration of that reservation, and will include the day after the last night.  They’re assuming you get up, check out and go to a park on your last day.  For those of you that like to resort hop: The window will open for the duration of that first reservation.  So, if you are staying two nights at All Star Movies and then heading to the Grand Floridian for four nights, ONLY the first two nights will show up in your initial 60-day window.  You’ll have to go back in two days later and book your fast passes for that second reservation.)

My plan of attack was to try and get the most difficult Fast Pass Plus (FPP) reservations out of the way first.  I had planned our Epcot day as November 17, day 2 of our trip, and I really want to check out Frozen Ever After; it is new since our last trip.  After you select your “group”, choose the date for the first FPP you are booking and then the system asks which park you want to visit.

By default, the system will automatically offer FPPs in the morning first.  Epcot, Animal Kingdom and Hollywood Studios all feature a tiered system.  They group the most in-demand attractions in one tier, only allowing you to choose one from that tier, and the rest of the FPP attractions in the other tier, allowing you to choose two.  If you want times in the afternoon or evening, you can select those windows.

I chose November 17 and Epcot and the two tiers popped up.  It defaults to morning first, and will show the earliest available FPP slot for each attraction.  **Note: If the attraction you want is not listed, it means there are NO available FPP left for that attraction for that day.  This means you will either have to wait in regular lines for the attraction or try to get a FPP for a different day of your trip.  For Frozen Ever After, the earliest available slot that day was 2:20 PM. I immediately grabbed it.  It takes you to the next screen, which is a confirm screen.  Take a quick look and make sure all the members of your party are listed and that you have the attraction and time slot you selected on the previous page.   Once you confirm, it will ask if you want another FPP, and offer the option to continue on the same day or select a different day.

For my purposes, I wanted to work on my next most difficult attraction: Flights of Passage at Animal Kingdom.  I grabbed the date and the earliest time offered was already 4:30 pm.  I then booked FPP for Expedition Everest and Kilimanjaro Safari for the same day.  Yay.  And then I realized I was booking the reservations ON THE WRONG DAY.  I was supposed to be booking on Monday, November 20 and instead I’d grabbed Sunday, November 19.  I blame the early hour and the lack of caffeine.  CHECK YOUR DATES PEOPLE!!!  I immediate chose to book a new FPP on a different (and correct) day, went to Animal Kingdom and found the earliest Flight of Passage FPP available on THAT day, which was 2 PM.  Grabbed it, and then proceeded to book the other two I wanted for AK for that day.

I then went back to November 19 and selected Hollywood Studios.  It immediately tells me I already have FPP booked for that day and to book new ones, I will be cancelling the old ones.  I knew that already, but it’s good to note that Disney TRIES to stop you from accidentally canceling something you DON’T WANT to cancel.  It will ask you to make the choice for each member of your party individually.  (See screen shot below.)

Conflicting

You will also see an error like this if you are trying to book a FPP in a window that overlaps another FPP.  I kept trying to overlap by a few minutes for attractions that were close together but it caught me every time.

For Hollywood Studios, the most important attraction for us is Toy Story Mania.  We LOVE that ride.  Sunday has Extra Magic Hours, so we will be heading straight to Toy Story Mania as soon as we are allowed into the park but I wanted to have a FPP for later so we can ride it again.  I booked one for 10:45 AM.  We’ll end up using it toward the end of the window as we have lunch reservation at Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater at 11:55 AM.  The other two FPP I booked for that day are Star Tours, 9:50 AM and Tower of Terror, right after lunch.

After HS FPP were booked, I went to Saturday and booked our FPP for Magic Kingdom.  I wasn’t as worried about these because I knew we were going to the Christmas Party on our first night and would likely be able to ride everything we wanted at least once that night…The toughest one to get at MK is Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, so I did that first and got a 2 pm window.  The other two I grabbed were Peter Pan’s Flight and Haunted Mansion.

I then went back to Friday and booked the remaining two FPP I had for Epcot.  Spaceship Earth and Mission Space.  I’m not too worried about either of these, and may end up cancelling or choosing alternate times or attractions as I get closer to the trip and have a better idea of how we will be touring the park.

Finally, I booked a few FPP for Tuesday morning, our final day.  I suspect we won’t end up going to the park on this day; I’m leaning more towards stopping at Disney Springs on our way to the airport but just in case we DO decide to go to the park, I booked a couple at MK (walking distance from our resort and our favorite park).  Once we decide whether we will use these, I will update and/or release these FPP.

Here’s a different error message you might see.  I didn’t run into this when I was actually booking, but I did run into it later when I was trying to book additional FPP to help me with this article.  I basically logged out and logged back in to fix this issue.  I know errors are super annoying, but you have to admit, this error message is awfully cute!

Whoops picture

Once you’re finished, Disney will show you all the FPP reservations you’ve made.  I highly suggest printing or saving these pages to PDF so you have a copy of what you booked.  I’ve never had a problem, but I have heard a few stories of FPP being dropped from the system somehow…I’m not sure having a printout will help in the conversation with Disney about any missing FPP, but it sure couldn’t hurt.  Hopefully those bugs were worked out in the beginning and that is NEVER an issue anymore, but ya never know.

Note: If you are visiting Magic Kingdom on a date where there is a special event, for example, Mickey’s Not So Scary Halloween Party, or Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party, the software stops issuing FPPs at 5:30.  The park closes to non-party guests at 7:00 pm.  (Note these parties are special ticketed events and require separate purchase of a ticket.  I will be talking specifically about this in a separate post.)  If you have a ticket to the party, you can enter the park any time after 4pm using your party ticket, even though the party doesn’t start until 7 pm.  So, you can reserve FPP between 4pm and 5:30pm.  The system won’t let you overlap passes by even five minutes, though, so you may want to try and book a 3:30 or 3:45 FPP as your first one, even though you won’t be in the park until 4 pm.  You’ll have until 4:30 or 4:45 to use the FPP, based on the 1-hour reservation window.

The Bottom Line

My early morning mission was successful.  I was able to book Fast Pass Plus reservations for each attraction I’d planned to, and generally, the windows that I booked work for what I have planned for each day of our vacation.  I didn’t run into any technical challenges at all, and the only glitch was one I created myself by choosing an incorrect date.  I’ve still got a few things to figure out, so I may make a couple minor changes on the less popular attractions as we get a little closer to vacation, but overall, I’m pretty happy with how it went.  I was even happier when I went back to bed for an hour before getting up and heading to work! 😉

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke

More Thoughts About Fast Pass Plus Strategy

Focus on what is most important to you and your group.  If you all have different favorite attractions, write down everyone’s favorites and determine which are likeliest to have the longest lines.  Do any of these attractions offer Single Rider lines?  Is that an option for your group if they do?

Single Rider Lines

For example, at Hollywood Studios, we love Toy Story Mania, the Tower of Terror AND Rock-n-Roller Coaster.  Disney puts all three of those attractions into one tier, because, shock of shocks, those are a LOT of people’s favorite attractions.  By utilizing Extra Magic Hours and making sure we are at the park before it opens, the odds are fairly good that we will be able to ride all three of these attractions before the lines start to get long, and that, by far, is the best strategy.

But if for some reason, we can’t do all three pretty early and avoid the lines, the first one we will drop initially and ride later is Rock-n-Roller Coaster, because it has a single rider line.  Traditionally, most people like to ride with the rest of their group, so if a group has an uneven number, you might end up with an empty seat.  Disney will almost NEVER waste an empty seat, so they pull from the “Single Rider” line to fill that seat.  What that means to you: If you are willing to ride the attraction sitting next to someone you don’t know while your loved one(s) sit next to someone else, you can shave LOTS of time off your wait times.  There are a lot of groups of 3 and 5, so there is a high demand for single riders to fill in those groups.  The longest we’ve ever waited in the single rider line was twenty minutes, and that was on a CRAZY busy day with one of the longest regular standby lines we’ve seen—almost 3 hours!  You still enter the line together, you wait in line together, you just split up right before your ride vehicles are loaded.  Most of the time, Frank and I end up in the same car, just different rows.  Every once in a while, you may end up riding a couple of minutes apart and one of you will have to wait at the other end for a minute or two but if you’re open to it, it’s a GREAT way to avoid the line, ride the attraction you like quickly and move on about your day.   Currently, Disney offers three attractions with single rider lines:  Test Track at Epcot; Rock-n-Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios; and Expedition Everest at Animal Kingdom.

Character Greetings

When most people think about Fast Passes, they tend to think primarily about rides.  Sometimes, they’ll consider shows. But one other type of attraction that can be reserved via FPP is CHARACTER GREETINGS.  If this is something that is important to you, you may want to consider using FPP to schedule some of these during your trip.   The most popular characters (especially the Frozen princesses, Anna and Elsa) often have CRAZY long lines, full of lots of small and frequently tired and impatient children.  Some kids are scared of the characters, even the princesses, so you may want to consider that before using up a FPP reservation if your child hasn’t even met a character before.  Character greetings are something we enjoy, but they aren’t super important to us, unless we are traveling with more of our family.  One of my favorite Photopass pictures from the wedding trip is with most of my family and Sorcerer Mickey.

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Note: We did not book FPP for this greeting.  Mickey was there, the line wasn’t long, I browbeat everyone into going over there 😊.  So, we tend NOT to use FPP for Character Greetings, just hopping into lines if they are short and we have time.  BUT, I know for many people, getting that picture with Snow White or Goofy will MAKE their trip.  If that’s you, consider booking a FPP reservation.

Bottom Line

I look at FPP as a bonus—a way to get extra rides on a favorite, or a way to combat long lines later in the day after everyone else has shown up, or as a way to ride something we like that normally has long lines in a park we won’t get to until later in the day.

Identify your top priority attractions.  Determine if they are Tier 1 attractions (at Epcot, Animal Kingdom or Hollywood Studios).  Think about where in the park your top priority attractions are located.  Think about where you have scheduled meal reservations (or, if you don’t have meal reservations, think about approximately when you think you might want to take a meal break and, potentially, where.)  Think about WHEN you will be at the parks, and whether you’ll be able to take advantage of lighter, early morning crowds.

Finally, think about which attractions may be the hardest FPPs to get.  Right now, the highest demand FPPs are Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, Big Thunder Mountain, Splash Mountain and Space Mountain, all at Magic Kingdom.  Frozen Ever After, Soarin’, Test Track and Illuminations at Epcot.   Toy Story Mania and Rock-n-Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios.  At Animal Kingdom, the “hot” attractions are Avatar Flight of Passage, Na’vi River Journey and the Rivers of Light nighttime show.

Now that you’ve prioritized, you’re ready to book your Fast Pass Plus reservations!

A few things to keep in mind:

  • You can only book up to three FPP reservations in any given day, and those must all be in the same park.
  • Three parks (Animal Kingdom, Epcot, and Hollywood Studios) use a tiered system, grouping the most popular attractions together, and limiting you to choosing just one of those for your initial three FPP reservations. Be aware of which attractions are in those limited tiers and prioritize which ones are most important to your group.
  • Once you’ve used all three of your initial FPP reservations each day (or cancelled any unused ones), you will be able to book one additional FPP reservation using the app on your phone or one of the kiosks in the park itself. Once you’ve used that one, you’ll have the option to book another one and so on.
  • Based on that, you may NOT want to choose an evening attraction or FPP time slot late in the day as one of your first three FPP reservations. If for example you select Epcot Illuminations viewing as one of your FPP for a particular day, you will max out at three…you will never be able to book any additional FPP after you use your first three because you won’t be using the third one until the park is technically closed for the day.
  • Disney will not let you overlap FPP reservations, even if the attractions are right next to each other. So, if you have one FPP at 10:45 am, you can’t book another one for 11:30 am.
  • If you are visiting the Magic Kingdom on a day with a special ticketed evening event, FPP windows will end early.  For example, on days when there is a Mickey’s Not so Scary Halloween Party, or a Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party, the park closes at 7 pm to non-Party guests.  The system stops issuing FPP reservations at 5:30 pm, and you won’t be able to book any FPP for later than that.  (Note these parties are special ticketed events that require a separate purchase.  I’ll be talking more about these parties in a separate post.)
  • If your group is good about getting up and getting going in the morning, do not waste FPP by booking them in the first hour of the day…there usually aren’t long lines until after 10 or 11 am, so why burn a fast pass when you don’t need it?  Use it later when it can really save you from waiting in line.
  • Similarly, if you know your group is NOT good about getting up and getting going, don’t waste FPP by booking them too early…if you aren’t likely to arrive in the park until noon, don’t book FPP’s at 10 and 11…you won’t use them and they’ll be wasted. Take your family’s touring style into account when you are planning.
  • Manage your expectations. Waiting in line for attractions is part of the overall theme park experience.  You WILL be waiting in some lines, no matter how carefully you plan and no matter how early you get up.  FPP are limited, and there are a LOT more attractions you’ll want to ride than you’ll be able to book FPP for.  Know that you absolutely will be waiting in lines and while I like to plan as much as I can to minimize lines, it’s impossible to avoid them completely without avoiding most attractions altogether.  (Unless you live in Orlando and can go whenever you want.  Then obviously, if there’s a line, you can leave and ride another day.  I am so jealous of those people!)

Even when you have a FPP, you may not “walk right on”.  Generally speaking, with FPP, you’ll usually wait 10 -15 minutes max, but sometimes things happen that can make that wait longer.  In extremely busy periods when the regular line has waits of 2 plus hours, you may end up waiting as long as 30 minutes in the Fast Pass return line.

There are lots of ways to help the time pass quickly while you wait in line—In a few days, I’ll be putting up a separate post on some of the things we try to keep from getting too bored in line.

Finally, remember that there are FOUR parks at Walt Disney World, filled with a TON of attractions, shows, characters, dining experiences, shops and magical experiences.  There are two water parks.  There are several golf courses.  There are lots of water craft and activities you can try.  You will NOT be able to do everything.  You may not even be able to do everything you really, really want to do.  Focus on the few MOST IMPORTANT attractions or events, and fill in the rest of your time with what you can fit.  Don’t make yourself crazy.  It’s all wonderful, and if you relax and accept that you can only do so much (and gee, you’ll just have to plan another trip to do the rest!😉)

As long as you make sure to hit the most important stuff (for you and your group–everyone is different, and what’s most important to us, may NOT be important for you) you will have a wonderful magical time.

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke

Fast Pass Plus Planning

Tomorrow morning, 6 am Central Time…our Fast Pass Plus reservation window opens.  For those of you that AREN’T familiar with Fast Pass Plus, it’s a tool that Disney implemented a few years ago that rewards those of us who (neurotic, anal, a little crazy, planning nerds) like to plan ahead.  Fast Pass Plus lets you schedule time to ride up to three attractions per day in advance…When you use it, you SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your wait times on those pre-planned attractions.  There are (of course) some limitations…

  • Your Fast Pass Plus reservation window opens 60 days before the first day of your trip, if you have Disney hotel reservations (and these MUST be linked to your My Disney Experience account). If you’re not staying on Disney property, you have a 30-day window for Fast Pass Plus reservations.
  • Fast Pass Plus does not really allow for park hopping in your planning. All three preplanned attractions in a particular day MUST be in the same park.
  • Fast Pass Plus uses a tiered system to prevent you from using all three Fast Pass Plus reservations on the most in-demand attractions…or on the same attraction.

Now, I know that many of you will read this and think “are you crazy??? You expect me to know WHAT ride I will want to ride WHEN on my VACATION?????”  And my answer to you is simply, “Yes.  I am crazy.” Reality.  BUT I also will say…it only takes a little planning, but it will have a BIG impact on the success and joy in your vacation.  Because trust me, if you can reduce your time standing in line, you WILL have more fun.  You’ll be able to do more, see more and most importantly, SIT DOWN AND REST MORE.  Just kidding.  Well, maybe not.  But you will free up some time to give you more time, period.  And you can use that however you want.  Highly recommended: Naps on the monorail.  But I digress…

And the bottom line: You can change your mind.  You can decide not to use your advance FPP reservations.  You can choose to make the FPP reservations as a “break in case of emergency” back up plan and go merrily about your laid back, no planning involved vacation.  But I STRONGLY suggest you take 20 minutes and go ahead and book them.  JUST IN CASE.  No one will ever know, I promise.  😉

A couple of things that work in our favor:  When you schedule a time for your Fast Pass Plus (FPP), you are actually scheduling a one-hour window.  If your planned ride time for Toy Story Mania is, for example, 11:00, you can go to the attraction any time between 11:00 am and 12:00 pm and ride the attraction with either no wait, or a very short wait.  **Note: Rumor has it that most cast members working the FPP entry points will give you a 10-15 minute grace period if you’re late for your window BUT keep in mind…they don’t have to.  So, I try very hard to never need that grace period. I don’t want to risk wasting my FPP.  Once you have used your three booked in advance FPP, you can use the My Disney Experience app on your phone to book additional FPP reservations, one at a time, or you can use kiosks in various locations around the park.  I’m excited to see how this has improved over the last couple of years…Last time I was in the parks, the app didn’t work very well and I got REALLY frustrated.  But I’ve been hearing good things so I’m optimistic.

The other thing that is helpful is that you can set up everyone in your family or traveling group as a “FPP group” so you can book all your FPP together.  In the very early days of FPP, this was a real challenge.  You’d book one set for one person and then have to go back and try and book the same ones for the next person…it was super challenging.  Fortunately, they fixed that, and booking in groups works really well now.

If you are someone that is really good about being at the park early for rope drop and/or extra magic hours, you generally can ride the most popular attractions first thing without needing to use up your FPP.  That’s the strategy I use…I plan on early entry and try to ride the most popular and in demand attractions first, and book our FPP reservations for a little bit later in the day, after the crowds have started to pick up and the lines are getting longer.  If the wait would be 10-15 minutes without a FPP, why use up a FPP? I’d rather ride without a FPP when the lines are short and take advantage of FPP when the lines are longer.  Of course, that doesn’t always work perfectly, but again, I have to emphasize getting up early and getting to the park of your choice BEFORE it opens is KEY to doing everything you want to do without feeling rushed or waiting in super long lines.

Tonight, to prepare for tomorrow morning’s FPP reservation session, I reviewed my tentative plans for our trip.  I reviewed scheduled meals, and which park I planned to visit when.  I reviewed park hours and Extra Magic Hours schedules.  I made little quick sheets to have with me in the morning.  I reviewed the current tier structure for each park, and I have a pretty good plan of which attractions I’m going to try and book first.

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Because our trip this year rolls into Thanksgiving week, which is a peak period for Walt Disney World, I suspect I will not be able to get all the FPP that I’m hoping for…but I will give it my best shot!  Hopefully between Extra Magic Hours and always being early for open, we will be able to hit those really important attractions…

I already have two breakfasts that I will be cancelling because Disney has added Extra Magic Hours those mornings in the parks we were planning to visit.  Both breakfasts were planned to help us get into the park early and be fed and already inside when the park actually opened.  BUT now that EMH has been added, I don’t want to sacrifice that extra hour sitting down at breakfast.  A big bummer because the Tusker House breakfast at Animal Kingdom is one of my favorites, but it can’t be helped. {sigh}

I’ll update you tomorrow on how my FPP reservations go.

Have a great night everyone!

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke

62 Days to Go…

Today I have Disney on the brain!  We are 62 days out from our trip to Walt Disney World for our third wedding anniversary…because we are staying at a Disney resort and have already purchased our ticket media, our Fast Pass Plus booking window will open Sunday morning at 7 am Eastern time.  Guess who will be on her computer at 5:55 am Central time on Sunday?  ME.  SO not happy about that, but it MUST be done, haha.  (Yes, yes, I know.  FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS.)

Over the last few days, I’ve been thinking about our Fast Pass Plus strategy so I will have a plan of attack Sunday morning.  The end of our trip falling into Thanksgiving week means that I really will probably have to grab the fast pass reservations for the END of our trip first to hopefully get what we want.  I’ve tentatively planned Animal Kingdom for our last full day at Disney, which will be Monday, November 20.  I am SUPER EXCITED to see the new Pandora (Avatar-based land) attractions, and I know they’ve made the two Pandora attractions both Tier 1 attractions, which means I can only book ONE of them as a Fast Pass attraction.  ☹  I’ve got to spend some more time on my Fast Pass strategizing, so I will sit down tomorrow and review our meal reservations and each day’s tentative agenda and write down my basic plan for each day, and then identify which attractions I want to try and get Fast Passes for.

When I was younger, I was the Queen of Exhausting Disney Vacations.  We had to be at the park for rope drop (or earlier), we had to see and do EVERYTHING and we had to stay until the bitter end (or the Kiss Goodnight), regardless of how late that might be.  I also liked to park hop, just on principle, so on Hollywood Studios or Animal Kingdom days, I almost always included at least a few hours at a different park.  While we had a BLAST, those trips were a little frantic, and VERY tiring.  It always seemed like we needed a vacation from our vacation when we got home.

Now that I’m a LITTLE older (😉), some of the URGENT must do everything or die mentality has faded.  I love Disney so much, and I truly love almost every single attraction, show, shop and mode of transportation.  BUT, I don’t have that “I don’t know when I’ll ever be back here” again feeling I used to have.  Some of that is maturity (we can only hope), some of it is owning DVC (when you KNOW you have points every year, it’s a little easier to calm down and say, we will have the points to come back next year), some of it is knowing my husband has also become a Disney fan (not that I gave him a TON of choice, but he honestly DOES really love it too), some of it is knowing that I have friends and family members that also enjoy it A LOT that I could probably talk into a trip eventually….  Regardless, I no longer tour the parks “COMMANDO” fashion.  I do still try to be at the parks for rope drop…honestly, that is the SINGLE best tip I could give anyone planning a Disney vacation.  If you do nothing else, GET TO THE PARK BEFORE IT OPENS.  You can usually get more done in the first two hours of the day than you’ll be able to do the rest of the day.  SO many people like to sleep in, or have a hard time getting their families up and going, they don’t get to the parks until late morning, or even early afternoon.  TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

But where before, I would plan our days to run run run, now I strategize and prioritize a little more.  I think it makes a BIG difference in how much my husband (and my Mom, in the trips I take with her) enjoy our trips.

More on this tomorrow….

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke

Planning a Trip with Mom for the Spring…

I’m in the very early planning stages in the trip I will take in the spring with my mom.  My mom LOVES to garden so about 8 years ago (when things were great financially, or at least I THOUGHT they were, haha), I decided that I wanted to take my mom to Epcot for the Flower and Garden festival and do a Mom/Brooke weekend for her birthday/Mother’s Day present.  So, I booked the room, using some of our DVC points, and planned the trip.  Mom did pay for her own airfare (Things weren’t THAT great, unfortunately) but that first year, I did the hotel and the tickets.  She did her airfare and some of the meals.  I planned everything.  We had so much fun that we did it for the next two years.  The year of the wedding, we didn’t do it because we were both saving money for the wedding stuff, and because Frank and I were going in May already for our wedding planning and food tasting trip.  The year after the wedding, it just wasn’t financially feasible, and well, that’s been the story for the last couple years as well.  BUT things are finally getting better, and I think if I plan ahead, like I did for our anniversary trip this fall, and work a little extra here and there, I can swing it this year.  Mom is totally up for it, and fortunately, is willing to cover her airfare, her ticket and some meals.  Since I decided to go the annual pass route for the November anniversary trip, I’ll already have my ticket, so I just have to figure out my airfare and food.  And of course, spending money because let’s face it…no way am I going to Disney and NOT buying some souvenirs!

With DVC, you can book reservations at your “Home” resort (the resort where you actually own your points…in our case Bay Lake Tower) 11 months out from your arrival date.  You can’t book a room anywhere else until 7 months out from your arrival date.  When I go with mom, we stay at Old Key West.  The studios at Old Key West are the largest, and always have 2 beds, which makes them ideal for us.  Extra room to spread out and gives her a LITTLE space from me (I snore ☹).  Old Key West studios also cost the lowest amount of points per night, so we can stay more nights for fewer points than when I book a stay at Bay Lake Tower.

When I go with mom, Epcot is the MAIN attraction, although I always drag her through several parks anyways.  But Epcot is the primary reason for the trip.  Now that I have a more normal work situation, I’m really looking forward to taking a slightly longer trip with her than we’ve done in the past… The last time we went, we flew down on a Friday afternoon and had to fly home at the crack of dawn on Monday, because I just couldn’t take more time off work than that.  Previous trips were a LITTLE longer, going down Thursday night, but still coming home early Monday.  For this trip, I’m thinking about going down on Wednesday, morning hopefully and coming home Monday night.  I also want to plan TWO Epcot days in there, so we can maybe attend some of the seminars or special tours offered during Flower and Garden.

Choosing Dates

Flower and Garden Festival usually runs from March 1 through Memorial Day.  Disney hasn’t officially announced the dates for 2018, but I feel pretty secure in that window.  In the past, we’ve planned for late April or early May, trying to see the Festival at it’s peak, and, avoiding as much as possible, spring break crowds.

I decided to look at the first two weekends in May as our target.  The second weekend includes Mom’s birthday AND Mother’s Day and while that would be perfect from a celebration standpoint, it’s not really fair to steal her away from my step-dad and my brothers and their families for that weekend, so I was hoping that first weekend would work.  I checked the Crowd Calendar predictions at Touringplans.com and predicted crowd levels are fairly light Wednesday through Friday, moving to 6’s and 7’s for the weekend, which is fairly good.  Disney rarely has light days or slow periods anymore, so while I would LOVE for every day to be a 2 – 3, I consider myself lucky to have 4’s – 6’s.  I then checked availability at Old Key West for those dates.  Because it’s an older resort, it doesn’t have the popularity that some of the newer, “sexier” resorts have, like the Villas at the Polynesian resort or the Grand Floridian, so it’s generally fairly easy to get reservations there—at least during non-peak times.  Currently, the dates we want are available.  Of course, that could change between now and when my booking window opens…remember, I can’t reserve the room until 7 months out.  With an arrival date of May 2, that means I can’t book until October 2.  SO…bottom line…Have noted on my calendar on October 2 to remind me to book the reservation.  Also, I made notes on December 3 and March 3 to note when I can make dining reservations and Fast Pass Plus reservations for our trip.  Time for both Mom and I to start saving!  I won’t be able to save much until after Christmas, but it really helps to have a trip planned and (sort of) scheduled.  I do much better when I have a concrete GOAL to shoot for, know what I mean?

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Mom and a few friends…

At any rate, you will be hearing lots more about this trip as time goes on…

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke

72 Days to Go Part 3 – Planning Around Holiday Crowds

Walt Disney World Vacation Planning: Tips for Planning Around Holiday Crowds

Note: This is part 3 of a 3 part series.  If you’d like to read the first two articles, please go here and here.

A couple new wrinkles:  Usually, when we go in November we go around the 10th-15th.  We got married on the 16th in 2014.  So this year, of course, I was looking at our “Anniversary Weekend” when I planned our dates. What I didn’t notice is that Thanksgiving is on the 23rd this year…Rookie mistake.

Thanksgiving

For those of you that don’t know, Thanksgiving week is one of the busiest weeks of the year at Disney World.  TONS of people go to Disney for Thanksgiving, primarily due to the shorter school week, I think.  It’s not as bad as Christmas, but it’s fairly close.  Now let me say something about crowds:  It’s Disney…frankly, it’s pretty much ALWAYS crowded.  They run so many room and vacation specials these days that “slow season” doesn’t really exist anymore.  My mom and I usually go during the spring because we like to attend the Flower and Garden Festival at Epcot.   Spring at Disney is RIDICULOUSLY crowded, due to the spring break crowds.  BUT, if you go in prepared for it, pack your patience and go with the flow, you can still have a great trip.  However, if I CAN plan to go during a week that isn’t super busy, I usually do.  Early November has always been one of my favorite times to go.  Generally, it’s the calm before the storm of Thanksgiving and Christmas crowds.  Usually, the Christmas decorations are up by the 10th or the 12th, so you can get all the Christmas mojo without the hassle of the Christmas crowds.   ANYWAYS….I didn’t realize when I planned our dates that we are rolling into the Thanksgiving week.  So crowd projections starting Sunday are CRAZY.  Giant bummer.  Total rookie mistake.  I can tell I’m out of practice on my trip planning.  {sigh}  So basically, I know that Thursday, Friday and Saturday will be (hopefully) manageable crowds, while Sunday and Monday will be a little more on the super crowded side.

Construction

Also, Hollywood Studios…under MAJOR construction right now.  Star Wars land is under construction and Toy Story Land is under construction.  A lot of areas and attractions have been closed and torn down to make way for these changes.  In the meantime though….Not sure Hollywood Studios will actually involve a whole day.  So I may end up modifying our Sunday/Monday plans.  Conversely, Animal Kingdom was traditionally for us an “open until 3 or 4 pm” kind of day.  We love AK, but usually, we’d be done around 4.  NOW, AK is open in the evenings AND there are new attractions (PANDORA) and nighttime entertainment.  SO I may plan to hit AK on Sunday afternoon and evening instead of waiting until Monday which might free up Monday night to go back to MK for one last fireworks before we go home on Tuesday.  Not sure yet, still figuring that out.

And looking at 72 days, oh my goodness, I really should have this figured out by now!  Fast pass reservations open up in 12 DAYS!

The most important thing is to be aware that crowds are much higher around the holidays, and you need to consider that in your planning.  DEFINITELY plan your Fast Pass reservations as soon as your window opens; same with your meal reservations.  You will competing for a limited number of spots with a lot of other people!

Having said that, the holidays are a very special time at Disney.  There are lots of special decor, merchandise, activities and photopass Magic Shots.  There are special snacks and a special kind of energy in the air that doesn’t happen any other time of year.  It’s a magical time!  But…it IS crowded, so it’s important to plan for extra rest time to escape the crowds, and to pack your patience!

You absolutely will still have a wonderful Disney vacation–you just have to take the crowds into consideration as you plan.  I like to say that I’m “Planning Around the Crowds” because I like to minimize the impact of the crowds on my vacation as much as possible.  With some advance planning and the right attitude, you too can plan around the crowds!

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke

72 Days to Go…Part 2

Walt Disney World Vacation Planning Tips: PLANNING THE SCHEDULE

Note: This is part 2 of a 3 part article.  If you’d like to read the first part, please click here.

  1. We are arriving on November 16, which is our actual anniversary. We’ll land around noon, assuming no delays, so by the time we get our luggage, get our car (this is still not a firm decision…we normally rent a car because we like the freedom and flexibility of having our own wheels BUT the smarter financial decision is to NOT rent a car and use Magical Express and all the free Disney transportation.  Still deciding on this) stop and get water and breakfast foods and snacks and get to the hotel, it will probably be 2pm or so…

So I had a couple tentative plans initially:

  • Check in and have a lazy afternoon at our Resort.
  • MAYBE go visit the wedding pavilion and say hello to where we got married, maybe go inside if it’s open and take some pictures, maybe kiss on the spot where we kissed at the wedding, stuff like that.
  • Have a nice dinner somewhere for our anniversary. Somewhere with fireworks views because HELLO first visit back in three years and we LOVE WISHES.  Except that WISHES is gone.  There’s a new show, Happily Ever After, which I’m sure will be amazing too…but {sigh} we loved our Wishes.  Oh well, change is part of life.   For this, I was thinking either California Grill at the Contemporary Resort or Narcoosee’s at the Grand Floridian.  We’ve had great experiences at both of these, although California Grill gets a slight edge because we really love watching the fireworks there, and it’s a little easier for us to get to because Bay Lake is attached to the Contemporary.  Pricewise, they’re both about the same…way more than we should be spending on one meal!
  • Alternative to nice (expensive) dinner: Attend Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party at the Magic Kingdom. MVMCP is a special ticketed event.  It officially starts at 7 pm, but you can get in the park with your MVMCP tickets as early as 4 pm.  Generally speaking, the weeknight parties, especially early in the season, have lower crowd levels than a regular park day, and it can be a great way to see more attractions with shorter lines.  PLUS, the Merry Christmas parade is one of my favorites (the Halloween party parade is better, though) and that happens twice during every party.  There are special Holiday-themed fireworks (usually called Holiday Wishes, but I don’t know if that’s been re-themed as well since Wishes no longer exists…I will have to investigate that).  They distribute free hot cocoa and cookies (well, “free” is a relative term since you are paying for your party tickets) and the party goes until Midnight.  Oh, one more thing: It “snows” on Main Street frequently throughout the party.    There are some cute little shows and dance parties that happen around the park too—and of course, special MVMCP themed merchandise you can ONLY get at the party.

I knew a couple of main things: I didn’t want to burn a park pass day on Arrival Day and I wanted to make sure we saw Magic Kingdom fireworks (and the CASTLE) on our anniversary.  Of course, a couple other options exist. As DVC members staying at Bay Lake tower, we can go up to the Tower Lounge on the roof and watch the fireworks from there.  They have appetizers and a bar and the view is similar to the view from the California Grill.  Also, since we’re spending the extra points for theme park view, we could just stay in the room and relax and watch from there…assuming it’s a decent view.  Third, we could go watch the fireworks from the Contemporary…there’s a large balcony of sorts right where the Bay Lake Tower walkway meets the Contemporary…we took a bunch of our wedding pictures there, so that would be a nostalgic spot as well.

I went ahead and made a dinner reservation at California Grill, figuring I could cancel if I decided to go a different direction.

  1. Planning the park days: Using the crowd calendar and taking into consideration our personal preferences, I started plugging in park days on our schedule.  Assuming we’d either do the Christmas party at Magic Kingdom or at the very least see the Magic Kingdom fireworks Thursday night, I decided that Friday we would go to our second favorite park, Epcot and we’d return to Magic Kingdom on Saturday.  A couple of factors: There’s another Christmas party Friday night, so I knew if we did Magic Kingdom Friday, we’d have to leave by 7 pm—I wasn’t about to buy tickets for a party AND burn a park pass day in the same day—it was either go to the party on Thursday night or not at all.  I wanted to make sure we have at least one full day at MK so I decided Saturday.
  2. We generally like to visit all four parks when we visit, as long as we go for at least four days, so next I plugged in Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom for Sunday and Monday—primarily based on park hours and projected crowd levels.
  3. So current plan: Epcot Friday, MK Saturday, Hollywood Studios Sunday and Animal Kingdom Monday. We fly home Tuesday afternoon so Tuesday morning will either be lazy, pack, hang around the resort (Frank’s preference) or one last mad crazy dash to Magic Kingdom and then Disney Springs (Brooke’s preference).  We’ll see how that works out….
  4. Once I plan my park days out, I start working on meal reservations. I actually started making reservations for meals mid-May—I think even before I bought our airline tickets.  Disney lets you book ADRs (Advance Dining Reservations) six months out.  A big part of our Disney experience is good, sit down meals in air-conditioned restaurants. We like the breaks to recharge our batteries, relieve our favorite moments from the day (so far) and talk about what we still want to accomplish that day.  Yes, taking the time for a sit down meal “takes away” from time we could be visiting attractions, but I learned pretty early on that if I want my husband to actually ENJOY his trips, I need to build in lots of breaks and give him time to rest and recharge.  An interesting side effect was that I learned how much more I enjoyed myself when I gave us those breaks.  So for me, sit down meals are MANDATORY.  Now, this trip we have some budgetary constraints so I may have to cancel some of these, and we may need to go off property and grab quick economical meals at someplace like Perkins (assuming we have a car) or just do sandwiches in the room—but I decided to make reservations initially and then I will cancel as we get closer to vacation if it looks like we won’t have the funds.

I hope my “real life” stories as I plan our trips are helpful to you as you plan your own vacations.  My goal is to offer Disney vacation planning tips and tricks to my readers, and to help all of you navigate the sometimes challenging process of planning a Disney vacation!

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke

To continue to part 3 of this article, please click here.

72 Days to Go!

Holy Toledo!  Just put a countdown app on my phone and lo and behold…SEVENTY TWO DAYS until our trip to Walt Disney World.  My goodness, how the heck did that happen??  I thought we were more in the neighborhood of 90 days!  Whoops.  I guess time flies!!!

Walt Disney World Vacation Planning:  72 days to go!!!

Holy Toledo!  Just put a countdown app on my phone and lo and behold…SEVENTY TWO DAYS until our trip to Walt Disney World.  My goodness, how the heck did that happen??  I thought we were more in the neighborhood of 90 days!  Whoops.  I guess time flies!!!

So let’s review.  Here’s what is done so far:

  • DVC Room Reservation: Bay Lake Tower, 5 nights, Studio, Theme Park View. I pretty much NEVER spring for the extra points for the Theme Park View, but….it’s been THREE YEARS since the wedding trip and we are both in SERIOUS Disney withdrawal (ok, I admit it…it’s ME and my castle obsession with the major withdrawal symptoms…) and while I did NOT spring for a one bedroom, the few extra points per day for the view seemed worth it to me.  We’ve never had a theme park view room at Bay Lake before…I’m hoping it will be as good as I’m picturing in my head!
  • Book the airfare: This was tough as it was the first place I had to spend ACTUAL real money (Our DVC is a regular monthly payment at this point, so when I book the stay I don’t FEEL the spend).  And there’s that whole should I pull the trigger thing.  Airfares from Chicago to Orlando can vary WIDELY over a period of months.  I can’t tell you how many times over the years I found a great fare, debated about it for a few days and it was GONE when I decided to buy, never to be found or matched again…So I played the check the airfare every week game for awhile and finally bit the bullet in May.  Good price, not great, but at least the money was spent and not available for life’s little challenges…we’ve had more than one trip over the last few years derailed by unexpected car repairs or other expenses.  And of course, since I booked the airfare, I’ve seen better prices at least 4 times.  AY YI YI.  Oh well.  What’s done is done and at least WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING THIS YEAR.
  • Plan a tentative schedule. This is always when things start to get fun for me.  I use the Crowd Calendar at https://touringplans.com (this site is an annual subscription, but is an automatic YES every year for me at renewal time.  TONS of great content, but honestly, the Crowd Calendar alone is worth the subscription cost.  These folks do TONS of research and studying and in the field tests and use all that data to predict crowd volumes.  I have found them to be a pretty accurate predictor over the years.  Nothing is perfect, and occasionally I have seen some dissenting opinions, but in my experience, they’ve done a pretty good job at predicting crowd levels and making updates when things change.  I usually do my planning of our schedule in a couple of phases:
    1. Go to touring plans and write down the park hours for each park for each day of our trip. Make notes of which park will have extra magic hours and when.  I also note nighttime show times at each park (fireworks, fantasmic, illuminations, etc.)
    2. I then take a look at our flight times and make some basic decisions: will we visit a park or Disney Springs on arrival day? Will we visit a park or Disney Springs on departure day?
    3. A couple other driving factors: How long has it been since we’ve been to Disney?  Do we have another trip planned in the next year?  For this trip, there’s a little extra pressure because it’s been so long since our last trip. One of the benefits of being DVC for us was that we went at least once per year, and I usually got down to Disney 2-3 times a year, by  including a girl’s weekend and mom/Brooke weekend.  I did Annual Passes every year in those days, and between DVC, Annual Passes, and KNOWING my next trip was never more than a few months away, I didn’t feel that pressure of HAVE TO SEE AND DO EVERYTHING that you feel when you are planning a trip that may not be repeated any time soon….

So this year’s trip is a little tough for my planning instincts:  We haven’t been since our wedding trip…and while that trip was AMAZING, it was a very busy trip, full of family activities and oh, I don’t know, A WEDDING DAY and all the wedding related mumbo-jumbo and trying to coordinate with everyone so it wasn’t really one of our normal vacation trips.  Add to that, I didn’t do my mom/Brooke trip that year because we were saving for the wedding, and my girl’s trip didn’t happen that year for the same reason.  Frank and I DID make an extra trip down for a quick 3 days to do our wedding planning trip but that was very rushed and crazy.  And then of course, after the wedding trip, the bottom started dropping out of our business and our incomes dropped and trips to ANYWHERE became out of the question for a few years…

But things are getting better now, and happily, this year’s Anniversary trip is a GO!!!!

Happy Dreaming!

Brooke